Well, some claim this map is cluttered with props too much, some say otherwise. I can't really adapt this map to be perfect for everyone without exceptions, unfortunately, so I choose to leave it as it is. Unless there is a major flaw, of course.

maybe im not used to seeing this many props. look at most 2011-ish maps -- the main playable areas arent that detailed.

'Preciate it very much!

np man good luck on your map making adventures if you ever upload new ones i explore them for exploits

Wow, that's actually neat that you noticed it! Thanks a lot, it's gonna be fixed soon!

C point theres like near the fence if you look up while r_drawclipbrushs 2 is on you can see a gap that allows demos or engineers to get up there

Elaborate please?

it has exploits i found

Thanks!

is look like cp_steel

Cool map!

About the navigating, well, there are big colored lights above each unlockable door which clearly show which one is locked or open at the moment. I've even put these inside the BLU spawn to kinda learn people to see that red = locked, and green = unlocked. Each doorway has a sign, which shows which point it is leading to. Further inside there are lots of arrows showing the ways to every available point. But the notes are taken, I'll see what I can do, thanks for the feedback!

I apologize for such late response, can you clarify what noises are exactly missing? Is it like a console message spam or it's based off of your perception? I've tried to put as much sounds around some specific machinery/pipes/props as possible, but not really too much. The real missing or rather, too quiet sounds that I'm aware of, are the sounds of the Point E opening sequence. There isn't much that I can do, since these technically are playing at max volume available in the editor. I can raise the max audible radius of the sounds, but hearing the opening sounds from the half of an entire map is ridiculous IMO.

For some reason there are a ton of missing noises on this map, and navigating the map is a bit confusing. If you could add a few more indicators that'd be good.

Of course, it's possible, however, it makes much more sense when you see the in-game HUD. Points A, B and E are very important, and change the layout of the map upon capture. It would be weirder if it were A, C and E in my opinion. Thanks for the feedback!

btw, i meant literally just the lettering, not the placement of them, but like just make the current point D be named point B and vice versa.

question, would switching the letters on the points so that they're in alphabetical order be possible? if not that's OK. other than that, i think this map is great so far!

Notes taken, thanks for the help!

Geometry seems interesting but there's a lot of prop clutter that makes it thematically confused and messy.

why is it scp

ok

@Trouser Snivy It's 16 years old map, almost as old as the game, and the creator returned to improve it after such long time. Chill out.

If this doesn't get added next update I'll be really sad, it's a great looking map.

Is it more of a visual clutter, where it's hard to distinguish players from other stuff in the heat of the fight? Or a physical clutter, where the props are inconveniently placed for movement and flow?

tbh the interior parts are too cluttered with props

I don't think many maps have options to capture points named C and D, you know

Thanks for the feedback! In my opinion, the the naming of control points makes much more sense during the gameplay, with the HUD emphasizing that A, B and E are key points for the gameplay. These names also tickle the "TF2 gamer nerve" - it just feels more natural to have familiar letters associated with these crucial control points.

Looks interesting, although I feel like the naming choice of the control points will lead to confusion. Instead of using the letters, maybe try a different naming scheme? Or change the letters of the control points so that B and D are swapped.
I do like the idea of an asymmetrical 5CP mode, although the scale of the map might make it drag out a bit. At least it's not endless like normal 5CP lol

uhh, yeah... I sure hope it does.

well i hope it does

It's Jarate 2

is that caca on the blue print paper

Actually incredibly informative, much appreciated!

Thanks a lot! Fixes incoming in a next update

I made a video of the all the bug the bots have if you wanna see it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaIcLZmylXo

Thanks for the feedback! I'm working on implementing the forward spawn system for BLU and retouching areas around B and E

Nice map!

BLU can use a teleporter flying under the assumptions that
A: in casual where people play however they feel like, someone chooses to play engineer
B: they can even get enough of a consistent foothold with that long of a walk to put a teleporter anywhere useful when RED spawns directly on top of the general combat zone

Horrible layout, this would be a nightmare to play on. Map looks decent but it's wasted on this poorly designed slop. I dont think this map is salvageable.

this map is pure slop

First of all, there is no need to be so toxic and sassy about nothing. I get it, I never stated that this map is flawless, of course there are gonna be problems. But being rude towards me not only would just show how much of a bad person you are, it would also cause the actual problem itself to be ignored due to unintelligent behaviour of whoever criticized it. I will try to find a solution to whatever bothers you, solely because I myself find the time to get from the BLU spawn to the final point too stretched as well (even though BLU can have an Engineer to build a teleporter to wherever they need to go). Thank you for the feedback.

Kimmy, unless these "massive changes," involved completely dismantling cashworks and creating an entirely new map, it wouldn't change the foundational design of the map...
Also tf2maps.net playerbase

Wow! nice map, mate!

cool

@Trouser Snivy Cashworks received massive changes since it was added to the game. The map just wasn't updated in game yet by Valve. I think there were some playtests on tf2maps.net servers.

nuh uh

I can hatch a purple tier pokemon GO egg on the walk from spawn to E

it is imperative that you remove this trash from the workshop this instant before Valve's automated system picks it up for the official pool as it did with cashworks and camber, or RGL adopts it into shitlander

Just doing what I have to do, sir. 'Prechiate it!