Hearts of Iron IV

Hearts of Iron IV

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Sternjaeger 16 Mar, 2019 @ 9:44am
Icons suggestions
Well, I start this suggestions topic that is here to help @电灯弗里曼 to find more details about the possible vehicles/units he can put in his icons set. This include all the possible icons we can find ingame (navy - air - tanks - artillery). For a more efficient help, thanks to take the time to make a clear list.

Well, I begin with my French navy suggestion (currently editing):

Destroyers
Early: Classe Aigle (Aigle-classe)
1936: Classe Vauquelin (Vauquelin-class)
1940: Classe Le Fantasque (Le Fantasque-class)
1944: Classe Mogador (Mogador-class)

Cruisers
Early: Classe Duguay-Trouin (Duguay-Trouin-class)
1936: Classe La Galissonnière (La Galissonnière-class)
1940: Classe Algérie (Algérie-class)
1944: Classe Saint-Louis (Saint-Louis-class)

Battleships
Early: Classe Bretagne (Bretagne-class)
1936: Classe Dunkerque (Dunkerque-class)
1936 (Super-Battleship): Classe Richelieu (Richelieu-class) or Jean-Bart-class
1940: Classe Alsace (Alsace-class) -evolution of Richelieu-class-
1944: Classe République (République-class)

Carriers
Deck conversion (battleship): Classe Béarn (Béarn-class)
Deck conversion (cruiser):
1936: Classe Joffre (Joffre-class)
1940: Classe
1944: Classe

Submarines
Early Sub: Classe Requin (Requin-class)
1936 Sub: Classe Redoutable (Redoutable-class) -not the same than Le Redoutable-class!)
1940 Sub: Classe Surcouf (Surcouf-class) or Classe Orion (Orion-class)
Note: the Surcouf class was equiped with two battleship canons! Because it's not possible ingame, that's why it could be better to put another sub class
1944 Sub: Classe Aurore (Aurore-class)

Another suggestions for France:
Infantry weapons IV (1942): MAT-49 could be replaced by the MAS-44 rifle (also named MAS-49, the MAS-44 has been built in 1950.. but the original prototype was built in 1938! So with no invasion, the French army could have used it in 1942)

Sources:
Wikipedia
World of Warships wikia
http://www.fr.naval-encyclopedia.com/2e-guerre-mondiale/marine-francaise2egm.php (include some nice drawings!)
https://www.avionslegendaires.net/dossier/histoire-de-laeronavale/les-porte-avions-francais-de-1918-a-aujourd-hui/
Some French books
Last edited by Sternjaeger; 17 Mar, 2019 @ 4:32am
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电灯弗里曼  [developer] 16 Mar, 2019 @ 10:22am 
one month ago, i replaced mas44 with mat49, because i think 1943 infantry weapon should be full-automatic.
of course, you are not first friend that suggested me to replace it back. so i decide to do it.
Sternjaeger 16 Mar, 2019 @ 10:23am 
It's just a suggestion then.. you decide. :D
电灯弗里曼  [developer] 16 Mar, 2019 @ 10:31am 
considering to run game with MTG off, i plan to draw naval icons on basis of old tech tree.
PDX has add description to almost all the original ship. so if i replace old ship name with new stuff, i need to add new description to new ship and cover the old description.
my english is not very well, so it is hard for me to write new description.

maybe you can help me when i draw french navy in the future ^ ^
CrazyZombie 16 Mar, 2019 @ 10:37am 
@电灯弗里曼

I'll be able to provide descriptions for changed ships in the Soviet tree. Not a problem.
电灯弗里曼  [developer] 16 Mar, 2019 @ 10:41am 
@CrazyZombie

thk u, my friend ^ ^
Sternjaeger 16 Mar, 2019 @ 10:47am 
I'll help too.
电灯弗里曼  [developer] 16 Mar, 2019 @ 10:50am 
@UFO_Interceptor

thk u ^ ^
CrazyZombie 16 Mar, 2019 @ 1:39pm 
Ok, so then it is time to systemize how I see USSR Navy tree:

Destroyers:

Early - Orfey-class. Decription already in the game.

References:
http://alternathistory.com/files/users/000_1_2.jpg
https://skfb.ly/6IxWS

1936 - Project 7. Description already in the game.

References:
https://secrethistory.su/uploads/posts/2013-11/1384109498_project-7.jpg
http://files.balancer.ru/forums/attaches/0e/0a/0e0a0a4bc983c526fd674833ec28f07e.jpg
https://skfb.ly/6IBIG

1940 - Project 35. Description: Project 35 is a “large” destroyer with universal artillery, designed in 1939–1941 for the Soviet Navy as a part of the “Ten-Year Plan for the Construction of Navy Ships” (1938–1947). This destroyer project was developed under the influence of the newest foreign ships of this class in order to achieve better seaworthiness, range and survivability in comparison with the destroyers of the projects 7 and 7-U.

References:
http://cs628830.vk.me/v628830944/4af02/iHL-4vXKHNU.jpg
http://i60.fastpic.ru/big/2014/0107/63/b08ee064ecb384d6648a49bdda475f63.jpg
https://skfb.ly/6IBIE

1944 - Project 40. Description: Project 40 is a destroyer with universal artillery of the main caliber, placed in three turrets, which was designed in 1942-1945 for the Soviet Navy. This project was created taking into account the experience of the Second World War, and in comparison with previous projects of destroyers (projects 30 and 35) should have improved seaworthiness and new equipment and weapons. The technical task of the Project 40 demanded creation of a "big destroyer for ocean service" to use it on Pacific and Arctic theaters of war.

References:
http://wiki.gcdn.co/images/0/02/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82_40.JPG
http://wiki.gcdn.co/images/0/02/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82_40.JPG
https://skfb.ly/6HBNn

Light cruisers:

Early - Krasniy Krym-class. Decription already in the game.

References:
https://frm-wows-ru.wgcdn.co/wows_forum_ru/monthly_04_2015/post-15297885-0-00989700-1428594924.jpg
http://and-kin2008.narod.ru/ksvetlana/1_9.jpg
https://skfb.ly/6IBIR

1936 - Project 28. Description: Project 28 - a light cruiser which was the development of the ships of the "Kirov"-class cruisers (Project 26). From the prototype, the cruiser was distinguished by its large size, significantly enhanced protection and rapid-fire artillery of smaller caliber. Design development was cancelled after introduction of technical task for the new type light cruiser (Project 68).

References:
http://wiki.gcdn.co/images/2/22/%D0%9B%D1%91%D0%B3%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B0_28.png
https://skfb.ly/6HuAU

1940 - Project 68. Description already in the game.

References:
https://ships-not-tanks.ru/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/3.jpg
https://skfb.ly/6HMZx

1944 - Project 68-bis. Description is already in the game.

References:
https://www.e-reading.club/illustrations/1006/1006951-pic_7.jpg
http://radikal.ru/F/s017.radikal.ru/i416/1212/4f/175f180554d3.jpg
https://skfb.ly/6IBJ7


Heavy cruiisers:

Early - Project 26. Description is already in the game (look for Kirov-class CA in the second level).

References:
http://armedman.ru/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/kirov-4.jpg
http://armedman.ru/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/kirov-5.jpg
https://skfb.ly/6HTZ7

1936 - Project 26-bis. Description: Project 26-bis cruisers were an improved version of the previous Project 26 cruisers. While design of their hull in general copied the one from the prototype, armor and survivability of new ship were improved. Project 26-bis also got more sophisticated systems of fire control for main caliber and anti-air artillery. Operational range of new cruiser was also increased.

References:
http://army.lv/large-photos/proekt-26-bis.5160.jpg
https://skfb.ly/6IBJ9

1940 - Project 22.Description is already in the game.

References:
http://alternathistory.com/files/users/user459/Proekt%20%20X_side.jpg
http://alternathistory.com/files/users/user459/Proekt%20%20X_model.jpg

1944 - Project 66. Description is already in the game.

References:
http://wiki.gcdn.co/images/3/3f/%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%80_66_-_%D1%81%D1%85%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0_%28%D1%83%29.jpg
http://wiki.gcdn.co/images/f/f2/Moskva_0550-1.jpg
https://skfb.ly/6HqR7


Battlecruisers:

Early - Ismail-class. Description is already in the game.

References:
http://ship.bsu.by/sm.ashx?guid=3606
http://alternathistory.com/files/users/BC%20Izmail.png
http://i.imgur.com/LRpb3IN.png?1

1940 - Project 69. Description is already in the game.

References:
http://wiki.gcdn.co/images/1/17/%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%80_%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%88%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B4%D1%82.jpg
http://wiki.gcdn.co/images/6/6c/%D0%A7%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B6.jpeg
https://skfb.ly/6IBJB

Battleships:

Early - Sevastopol-class. Description is already in the game.

References:
https://cs8.pikabu.ru/post_img/big/2016/04/01/5/1459492439125921294.jpg
http://militarybook.ru/oruzhie-mag/images/biblioteka/knigi/flot/Pervye_linkory_s2.jpg
https://skfb.ly/6H99V

1936 - Project 21. Description is already in the game.

References:
http://i57.fastpic.ru/big/2013/1126/64/a063d352930aa4eb5b88b60478a45c64.jpg
http://i59.fastpic.ru/big/2014/0115/93/4777e9040cf09f91b462b53f2c166893.jpg

1936 Heavy - Project 23. Description is already in the game.

References:
http://files.balancer.ru/forums/attaches/2016/10/19-4319885-linejnye-korabli-tipa-sovetskij-soyuz-title.jpg
http://www.m.miniflot.ru/Modeli_korabley/Sov/evol/1938-2.png

1940 - Type "A". Description is already in the game.

References:
https://www.e-reading.club/illustrations/1002/1002749-p0013b.png

1944 - Project 82. Description is already in the game.

References:
http://wunderwafe.ru/Magazine/MK/1995_01/Draw/03.jpg

1944 Heavy - Project 24. Description is already in the game.

References:
http://wiki.gcdn.co/images/8/81/%D0%9B%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B9%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B8_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B0_24_title.jpg
http://wiki.gcdn.co/images/f/fe/Stalingrad_teor_corp.jpg
http://ship.bsu.by/sm.ashx?guid=7367
https://skfb.ly/6HvPL


Carriers:

Early - Ismail-class. Description is already in the game.

References:
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/raigap/40496274/1621337/1621337_original.jpg

Early cruiser-conversion - well, suggest to "imagine" something on the base of Kirov-cruser.

1936 - Project 69AV. Description is already in the game.

References:
https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/raigap/40496274/1524247/1524247_original.jpg
http://i60.fastpic.ru/big/2014/0316/35/e2e9fc7fd576080a681345bfe27cb535.png

1940 - Project 71. Description is already in the game.

References:
http://alternathistory.com/files/users/Soviet_Aircraft_Carrier_Project_72_0.png
http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/imgs/total_war1382434064_total_war1382429870__-1.jpg

1944 - Project 72. Description is already in the game.

References:
http://img.mp.itc.cn/upload/20170516/2a96b93b57c24b28ac72f88d4e9e8834_th.jpg
http://gunm.ru/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/lichnoe-proekt-avianosca-72-sssr-1943-1945-god.jpg

Submarines:

Early - Series I Dekabrist. Description: Series I was the first type of submarines designed for the Soviet Navy after the October Revolution. Their creation was approved in the Naval program of 1926. These submarines were fully designed in the USSR and became a big step forward in comparison with the projects of submarines of the Russian Empire. In the Series I were tested a lot of design concepts, widely used in the following projects of Soviet submarines.

References:
https://vmnews.ru/site-specific/vmnews.ru/upload/articles/78909/918a2d61f2770b824be61cb5fe2e2f7e.jpg
https://dic.academic.ru/pictures/wiki/files/83/Shadowgraph_Dekabrist_class_I_series_submarine.svg

1936 - Series IX Srednyaya. Description: Submarines of the IX Series were designed after the construction of the first series of Soviet submarines as the implementation of the plan to eliminate the technological gap in the submarine designing with major foreign powers. Final design of Series IX was a result of international collaboration between Soviet and German engineers and featured a modern for it's time ocean-going attack submarine.

References:
http://deepstorm.ru/DeepStorm.files/17-45/c%20IX-b/list.files/image003.jpg
http://deepstorm.ru/DeepStorm.files/17-45/c%20IX-b/list.files/image001.jpg
https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2019-01/thumbs/1547781010__lodki_tipa_s.jpg

1940 - Series XIV Kreiserskaya. Description is already in the game.

References:
http://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2013-09/1379909404_1000px-shadowgraph_kreiserskaya_class_submarine.svg.png
http://army.lv/large-photos/tip-k-seriya-xiv.21866.jpg

1944 - Project 611. Description is already in the game.

References:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Zulu_I_class_SS.svg/1920px-Zulu_I_class_SS.svg.png

Last edited by CrazyZombie; 18 Mar, 2019 @ 1:47am
Slipslime 16 Mar, 2019 @ 5:25pm 
On your French battleships I would suggest the following revisions:

Early BB: Bretagne/Courbet
1936 BB: Richelieu
1940 BB: Alsace
1944 BB: Republique, or another name since this ship would be fictional

Richelieu is absolutely not a super heavy BB, such a ship would be something comparable to a Yamato. For the super heavy I think it would be fine to make up a ship, maybe make the Richelieu bigger and give it a different name
Sternjaeger 17 Mar, 2019 @ 4:26am 
@Slipslime we can't bypass the Dunkerque-class. And I agree for the Richelieu that is not a super battleship, but I don't know what to put, and because Alsace is its evolution.. that's why.
Slipslime 17 Mar, 2019 @ 9:47am 
@UFO_Interceptor
The game allows there to be sprites for battlecruisers too, the dunkerque might be a good fit for there
Sternjaeger 17 Mar, 2019 @ 11:40am 
Impossible, the Dunkerque-class isn't for cruisers.
Slipslime 17 Mar, 2019 @ 12:43pm 
Battlecruiser not cruiser, they're made with heavy hulls like battleships. While Dunkerque isn't a battlecruiser it certainly fits there better than Richelieu does as a superheavy.
Sternjaeger 18 Mar, 2019 @ 3:05am 
Maybe we could put a fictionnal one as a super-battleship. France didn't have anything similar to a Yamato, so...
CrazyZombie 18 Mar, 2019 @ 3:23am 
Take some of their late projects and redesign to have 4 turrets instead of 2. Yep, with 4 guns each. Perfectly suits to the concept of "super-heavy battleship".

Or try layout a-la Nelson or Izumo (A-140A).
Last edited by CrazyZombie; 18 Mar, 2019 @ 3:41am
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