Is it possible to have separate genes for head and body size?

thanks !

Thanks for the mod!
I'd love to see some more extreme body size genes (humans the size of a squirrel, or as tall as a giraffe). Would be fun trying to keep the tiny ones alive in combat, or trying to keep a colony of gargantuan humans well fed.
Dogs vary wildly in size (the biggest easily being 10x the size of the smallest), don't see why we can't have humans do the same lore-wise with artificial gene editing.

update to 1.5 pls

If I could code, I'd make a gene that causes pawns to grow over their lifetime with an increasing hunger rate until they die from not being able to find enough food. Maybe also something that makes it so they age to adulthood super dooper fast but age normally after that. Would be funny to mass-produce giant orc soldiers like that.

@Hoddrock Yeah, the scaling code is in VBS not this mod.

Do i need varied body sizes mod if I’m using pawnmorpher?

Well, the bug is back. It appears the bug is from the last release of Varied Body Sizes, which got covered by this mod including outdated .dll, if loaded out of order.
At least now I know for sure where to report it.
To be clear what I'm talking about is the hair of a pawn not scailing with the size of the pawn. so for very large sizes the head ends up larger than the hair texture and the hair hangs there in the middle.

Loads fine with either order for me, but I've pushed an update fixing the accidentally-included extra assemblies.

It's not indicated anywhere that this mod ought to be loaded before Varied Body Sizes, which is very counter intuitive, and had me thinking there is a unresolved bug with hair scailing.

By the way, I found out that the value of appearInGenePack (or something like that) in xml means that a gene can appear as part of gene packs, for example, during a gene lab quest.

I think it needs to be turned on, because it will be possible to find the gene in the laboratory and later transplant it to your pawn.

Thanks, Computica, I've added it to the list.

Good news otherwise - as of recent updates, Yayo Animation no longer seems to cause issues when active with HAR + Body Size Genes.

Star Wars Xenotypes
Uses this too

@Mute i made it
SMP XenoVerse

Let me know when you finish it and I'll add it to the description here.

I don't know for sure, I was just poking around in the xml of genes and noticed this setting. But I am almost sure that it is impossible to implement the frequency of occurrence through weight with a simple xml setting. However, there is probably a setting that will allow the gene to just randomly appear at the pawns. Such as hair color.
I was just wondering what the reason is and if there are any bugs behind it. Right now I'm making a mod for 4 additional xenotypes that use your genes for growth, which will allow them to somehow appear in the game, an alternative solution to the problem.

I just didn't have functioning docs for what tags to use when I initially wrote it. Is the tag you mentioned the one? I would have to look into weighing the likelihood for the different genes - most likely, the biggest/smallest should be much rarer than the more minor changes.

@Mute Just a simple question - why u not do that generate naturally?
Like <canGenerateInGeneSet/> true or something?

Thanks for the update and answer.

@BruhMan I would, but the incompatibility is only when HAR is also active and that's not the kind of condition I can specify, as far as I'm aware.

Could you mark Yayo's animation as incompatible in the game mod list? Whenever i tried to generate a world only 1 ghost faction would spawn and it took me 4 hours trouble shooting mod lists after work. When loaded together it's not red, it really should be. Cool mod but yayo animation >

@celest7k it's a caching issue, it should resolve after a few seconds unpaused. It's on my to-do list to fix, sorry for the wait.

p.s. tested with no other mods and new chrashlanded, no error in log

I think ther is a bug in this mod. The pawn generates correct (smalles -6) as spirit and body size stat. After a save load the body size stat resets to 1.00.

@Mute
Yes! Thank you for explaining. Much appreciated.

@Soul they're not set to occur naturally. They only happen when added to your custom xenotypes. Does this help?

The descriptions of this mod aren't exactly clear.
As far as I can tell, these genes do no spawn naturally and can only be used by other mods, or added to pawns before landing.

It would be helpful to a lot of us if you could clear things up

@Xenogray @Caveman can you generate a hugslib log when you run into that issue? Ctrl+F12, it'll give you a link to paste here.

@Caveman : Exact same here. Gave up on this mod.

I can make small kings
truly modding has reached its peak

Q: can these genes appear on traders/villages/caravans? Or have I been just super unlucky so far?

Suggestion if I may! Add a "neutral size" gene; kind of like many other 'neutral genes' that enable a specific aspect of a pawn to be overriden to the baseliner value.

When ever i have this mod loaded i cant get other factions to load other then the drow continued mod

This work with Multiplayer?

Suggestion: Add normal size as a Gene so one could pick out of a range of several heights, including normal size.

hm I'm not sure if I understand - that seems like a very indirect workaround. What I want is essentially -just- the creation of the new stat bodySizeFactor/bodySizeMultiplier (and hopefully also a new stat healthScaleFactor), so that it can be effected by genes, exactly as in your mod.
I just cant have it in combination with the visual-auto scaling of Varied Body Sizes, and I'm wondering if there is a way to just create those stats (and honestly add them to a framework, since it seems like a a generally useful functionality/stat to have around)

@whateven You could do it by defining a custom life stage, like how the genes in Character Editor do it. If that's not detailed enough to get you started, let me know.

Hey I appreciate the mod, and I had a question about making a stripped down version that only does the bit that makes bodySizeFactor (and ideally a new healthScaleFactor) a stat that can be editted by genes. The reason is that I'm trying to make bodytypes (hulking, fat, thin) have a gamplay effect and impact bodySizeFactor directly, but since the larger/smaller pawn size is already represented by the body image, I dont want to use varied body sizes, as this will mean, for example, a Fat Pawn (with a fat_body that has bodySizeFactor 1.5) shouldn't actually be scaled up graphically to be 1.5x as varied body sizes will do automatically.
Basically I'm wondering if there is a way to only use your code that makes bodySizeFactor a stat (and hopefully I can add healthScaleFactor too) without dependency on Varied Body Sizes?
Thank you

I tried many combinations but unfortunately I only saved the log when I tried it with more mods, I will leave the log here, after lot of tests I confirmed that this was one of the mods causing errors along with dragonian prime race 2.0
https://gist.github.com/HugsLibRecordKeeper/3f4de441be036453972acb3537bf6957

@Ehayn, i doubt thats the issue, mine was fine till a few days ago, no changes to modlist, but now all my dwarf children grow up to be full sized stf pawns and i cant char edit them to be small again. i dont have infuse or falloutcore and terrainmovement

@Ehayn I don't see an infusion 2 listed in the log you provided, does it use a different name possibly?

@Mute, Probably the "Infusion 2" mod is causing the error. Since the characters disappear after installing this mod

Под русским переводом этого мода, комментарии закрыты, потому оставлю здесь - у меня отключились все поселения при генерации мира и после двух часов перебора отсеялся именно тот перевод. Если это сообщение поможет хоть кому-то, уже хорошо...

Under the Russian translation of this mod, the comments are closed, so I'll leave it here - all the settlements turned off when generating the world and after two hours of sorting, that translation was eliminated. If this message helps at least someone, that's good...

@Ehayn That's an absolutely huge mod list, unfortunately. If you could try seeing if removing any of the following helps, that would let me narrow it down:
FalloutCore, TerrainMovement

@Mute
https://gist.github.com/48401205b970d77719df3daa3f7e2721

@Ehayn Can you provide a hugslib log (ctrl+f12), done after the pawns disappear?

For some reason this mod stopped working for me. If earlier I calmly created colonists with their colossal sizes, now after creating a new colony with the same parameters, the colonists appear in normal sizes, after a couple of seconds an error pops up and the colonists disappear

It also happens whenever I use VEF bodysize genes with Varied Body Sizes enabled. If a pawn has no bodysize alterations, then it works. It seems like Varied Body Sizes causes issues with mods that try to change bodysize, so you might want to talk to that mod author?

Having the same issue as SecretAsianMan and can confirm it only happens When I load Body Size Genes. Actually using the genes makes it even weirder; the Giant Gene that gives x1.50 bodysize gives pawns 0.19 size for example

@Mereel it's on my list to make it optional, it's just going to be a bit because it means re-doing how I interact with the settings.

Okay, so their implementation is more visual, rather than technical. Thank you for the clarification, I appreciate it, my friend!