I hear eve is excellent. But you have to pay. I would do eve if I could afford it, its got a really clever way of managing players so pvp and pve can exists in the same universe wihout too many problems. If you fancy FE giveme a shout - I can show you around

It seems like very slow levelling, detailed crafting an no P2W so far (though end game may be) but as it will take asges at my speed I dont really mind - just enjoying the geeky stuff. THere definately isnt any need to pay up to level 15 which I've attained slowly after a few weeks

Thanks for the info on FE. Only non-text (mud/mush) MMO I've really played was Guild Wars, and ended up soloing it after I got decent heroes. Tried Wurm but didn't have the patience to spend hours crafting (and failing) wood bobbins or whatever it was to get any coin. Need something multiplayer besides MC (or TF2/L4D), and Day-Z's just pissing me off. Haven't tried any of the F2P yet b/c I assume there has to be some catch (pay to win or something) and thinking about trying EVE gives me that weird feeling in my stomach like waking up in the middle of the night and thinking you saw something in the hall out of the corner of your eye. Do you go check it out, cause either way, it may not end well. Saw you playing FE and thought I'd ask.