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Not Recommended
0.0 hrs last two weeks / 39.1 hrs on record (35.8 hrs at review time)
Posted: 26 Jul, 2016 @ 6:03am
Updated: 22 Nov, 2016 @ 1:47pm

November 2016 Update

WARNING: DO NOT BUY THIS GAME - The company has a track record of broken Kickstarter promises and recently scammed customers with a $100.000 tournament that never happened.

CyberChaosCrew alerted the gaming press for this event http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-07-11-frontier-cans-its-own-usd100-000-elite-dangerous-tournament

Apparently this $100.000 CQC Tournament that Frontier Developments announced November last year on their website @ https://www.elitedangerous.com/en/arena/ and on their official forums @ https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/199427-The-100-000-CQC-tournament-%E2%80%93-Everything-you-need-to-know when launching the Xbox One Elite Dangerous client and CQC Arena game was a failed effort to entice customers into acquiring these games, the event failed to meet its expectations and the company went on a long communication blackout when the PC customers saw the qualification heats and finals deadline expire. Only when facing mediatic pressure by gaming media outlets did they finally announce that the tournament had been "postponed to a future date".

Some players like myself invested many hours of training and CQC account ranking/feature unlocking to be able to participate, time that could have been spent on something productive and lucrative, had we not been scammed into believing the tournament would really happen.

I have reported this incident to Action Fraud - UK's National Fraud and Cyber Crime Reporting Center http://www.actionfraud.police.uk/ I submitted all the information available at this facebook post https://www.facebook.com/Cyb3rCh40sCr3w/posts/1045289945553894 Action Fraud forwarded my report to the NFIB - National Fraud Investigation Bureau, they investigated the incident and concluded that they "would require further information that made my report more suitable" - "Your report will be retained and will be assessed against new reports received. If the NFIB receive further information that makes your report more suitable, the NFIB will inform you of any further action taken. Your report will also help to inform prevention messages and awareness campaigns, you can find more information about these and the Action Fraud Alert service on the Action Fraud website."

UK authorities will not prosecute Frontier Developments for its EliteDangerous $100.000 tournament fraud unless they receive multiple reports from more people that were scammed and damaged by it.

If like myself you would like to see them forced to comply with trading law and realize the tournament they advertised as incentive for customers to buy their product (which they claim they will "at a future date") or face compensatory and/or punitive damages for not doing so, you should also report the incident to Action Fraud @ http://www.actionfraud.police.uk/report_fraud, to the National Trading Standards eCrime Team @ http://www.tradingstandardsecrime.org.uk/ and to Citizens Advice @ https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/

The reporting process at Action Fraud is pretty straight forward and if you need additinal information or evidence to include in your report you can get some at the facebook post I linked above.

Don't let them sweep the tournament under the carpet and get away with scamming us. Together we can bring them to justice.


If you'd like to read about other instances where Frontier Developments scammed its customers, a full collection of broken promises is available at the followings links for your reading pleasure:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/223142-Broken-Promises-A-Collection
https://www.change.org/p/frontier-development-fulfill-your-promises-complete-localisation
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/11/20/elite-dangerous-refunds/
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/182757-Beta-Backer-Perk-One-of-5-new-ships-when




Original Review

The godfather of space trading and combat simulators and a pioneer in 3D computer graphics and procedural generation. The first Elite game launched in 1984 served as role model for EVE Online aswell as other games like Wing Commander and Freelancer.

Besides the satisfaction of knowing they once more kicked big publishers in the nuts with another epic crowdfunded project (just like Star Citizen), Elite Dangerous' Kickstarter early backers got handsomely rewarded with lifetime expansion passes in a program that closed in 2013 with over 40.000 backers donating over £2 million to fund the development of the game. Resorting to traditional funding and publishing methods was out of the equation from the start since Frontier Developments never had the interest of jeopardizing its own vision and development plans in exchange for a couple millions.

The game looks gorgeous and gives players the freedom to roam/resource gather/trade/pirate/fight in more than 100 billion procedurally generated star systems (including our own) with moving celestials, real 1:1 scale and physics, atmospheric entry and planet landing/exploration. Virtual Reality HMD's are supported and multi-crewed flight aswell as character creation and gameplay are coming down the line in the current Horizons expansion season.

The game has no monthly fees but Frontier Developments does charge for the expansion passes, which in my opinion, along with the cosmetic and merchandise goods, make for a healthy business model that creates a good relationship between the company and the players, ensuring both are happy with the income and product delivered. The company also promotes a strong mercenary feel to the game with yearly competitive events awarding real money prizes (£10.000 Race to Elite Competition in 2015, $100.000 CQC Championship in 2016) and keeps players engaged with regular community goal updates.

One of the things that sparked my interest for Elite when I heard about it was the procedurally generated universe. Check out this link http://pcg.wikidot.com/pcg-games:elite if you'd like to see how Elite uses the Fibonacci sequence for procedural content generation. Fibonacci was an italian mathematician in the 13th century who discovered a way to generate apparently random numbers using a simple formula. It is a powerful mathematical tool that explains how some patterns in nature work, and Elite developers initially used it in their 80's game to cope with limited memory problems while trying to create entire galaxies to play in on a BBC Micro with only 18KB of memory.

To play a game using this content creation technique is surely an experience worth having. Reminds me of the 1998 "Pi - Faith in Chaos" movie about a paranoid mathematician who does computational research on Pi, trying to find patterns in it and in nature. He gets a moment of clarity when associating the Fibonacci sequence with the golden ratio, and one of his assumptions is that everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers, since we are made of spirals (DNA) while living in a giant spiral (Milky Way).

In Elite Dangerous players choose how much they interact with others, from completely offline play to something approaching an MMO. The extensively procedurally generated universe is vast both in scope and detail, allowing players to fly down into a unique cloudscape for every planet of every size in a universe containing hundreds of billions of stars. Unlike previous games in the series, procedural generation of economic and political aspects of the universe are based largely on player input, so for example a concerted campaign by players against a star system could destabilise the local government, turning it from a stable system into an anarchic one.
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13 Comments
CCC Raven 2 Aug, 2016 @ 6:57am 
If you are someone who were unhappy with missing rewards, did not play the game for long after backing/buying it, issued a refund request and got it denied, please reach out and let me know about your story so I can add it to my Action Fraud report.

If you are not in those circustances please stop posting here asking me to report unfundamented claims, I will delete further posts like that. Thank you.
CCC Raven 2 Aug, 2016 @ 6:56am 
Frontier Developments has to refund customers that backed the project on Kickstarter or bought Alpha or Beta access and were not happy with the missing rewards at the time of release.

If you claim to have been unhappy with the missing rewards but kept playing the game anyway and have done so ever since, you are obviously not eligible for a refund and that is a legitimate policy from them.

Anybody in those circumstances should have requested a refund right away and it seems people who did got refunded of the money they spent or at least with the current value the game and (lifetime) expansion passes are/were sold for.
cba6f050 1 Aug, 2016 @ 6:57pm 
@raven666wings continued...

Note also that a few months later when Braben confessed that he was not going to deliver, he claimed he didn't have to refund pledges to a lot of KS backers. "Those who have already been playing the game online in the Alpha and/or Beta phases, regardless of whether they backed the project via Kickstarter or purchased access to Alpha and/or Beta through our online store, are not eligible for a refund" https://archive.is/IXtYa#selection-1797.6-1797.250

That was untrue too. He raised the KS money agreeing a contract where he WOULD refund if he couldn't deliver. "Project Creators are required to fulfill all rewards of their successful fundraising campaigns or refund any Backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill." https://www.kickstarter.com/terms-of-use/oct2012

This should go in your report to the fraud investigators.
cba6f050 1 Aug, 2016 @ 6:57pm 
@raven666wings "I think what he meant there is that after the Kickstarter project backers paid for the game, in case they get refunded they will only get the current game value and not acquire any other company assets"

What do you mean by "current game value"?

Note that in that video Braben says about these pledges "we've already fulfilled some of them because the alpha went live in december" and that's not true. Every KS pledge for alpha was also a pledge for the promised completed game, which he obviously hadn't delivered at that time, and which he never did deliver.
CCC Raven 1 Aug, 2016 @ 4:07pm 
Your claims seem to be unfundamented at this point so I won't be adding your review or parts of it to my Action Fraud report.

I created it with the intention of reporting the $100.000 Tournament fraud so that law enforcement organizations will force Frontier Developments to comply with trading laws and really realize the tournament they advertised as incentive for customers to buy their product, or face punitive and/or compensatory damages for not doing so.
CCC Raven 1 Aug, 2016 @ 4:02pm 
@Chip Patton It have looked at your review and there's a developer response on it posted yesterday that says your game account isn't linked to a kickstarter backer account and no bans were issued to it.

In addition I believe you misinterpreted the "Non-recourse money" talk in the video that you posted where Braben is presenting the game to investors. I think what he meant there is that after the Kickstarter project backers paid for the game, in case they get refunded they will only get the current game value and not acquire any other company assets.
CCC Raven 31 Jul, 2016 @ 10:36am 
Just as a side note, I have searched for the Kickstarter terms of service and found this Accountability on Kickstarter page: https://www.kickstarter.com/blog/accountability-on-kickstarter (check the "Is a creator legally obligated to fulfill the promises of their project?" paragraph).

Personally I didn't have an issue with the offline mode promise not being fulfilled, didn't intend to use it, and I was unaware of the other broken promises like the damage models, localization options, etc until someone brought them to my attention recently. What sank the boat for me was the $100.000 tournament fraud, but everybody else that wants to get refunded for any of the broken Kickstarter promises should be getting their money back and not their accounts banned.

I will also request a refund if the current Horizons expansion goals are not met. Everybody that requested refunds and had them denied please share your story if you'd like me to add it to the Action Fraud report. Thanks.
CCC Raven 31 Jul, 2016 @ 9:40am 
Alright thanks, I will read it and report it as soon as possible, probably tomorrow. I'm also saving copies of both yours and this review to my evidence folder in case they get deleted by the developer.
Chip Patton 31 Jul, 2016 @ 9:31am 
@raven,

To all of those I currently have permission to talk about, it is in my review. One person, in particular, came to me before he or I was banned, and we built a report; however after I became banned he was somewhat annoyed that they did so, but he followed the rules to the "T" and after about 2 days they finally banned him as well.
CCC Raven 31 Jul, 2016 @ 9:29am 
Thanks for reaching out and sharing your story Chip Patton, I will look at your review and your info and possibly compile some of it to add to my Auction Fraud report and let the National Fraud Inteligence Bureau know about how not only did Frontier Developments scam its customers with broken Kickstarter promises and a $100.000 Tournament marketing stunt but is also denying access to the game they've paid for.

I was banned from the official forum and have not checked if I'm banned from logging in to the game aswell but will do it as soon as possible. If you can point me towards other player's stories please do so I will look at their info and report it too.

I ask everybody that was scammed and/or banned to not be afraid and let their voice be heard, there's still 2 weeks left on the NFIB update deadline and I want to report as much information as I can about these events.