For any who come looking, this 'Gotcha Again' has been remastered to include this functionality and the UI fix, as well as a handful of other things here: https://steamproxy.net/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3002469584&searchtext=%5BWOTC%5D+Gotcha+Again+Redux

@Viceroy I thought you were insulting him. Then I realized that was his name.

No one will do anything you say BottomScorer. You need to learn to be less rude.

One Steam tag should be sufficient!

War of the Chosen

NOT war of the chosen!
NOT WotC!

I am using this with LWOTC , gotcha again and the optional mod
The concealment mechanic displayed is wrong ( one tile activated, the ui displayed my move as ok , but it still activates ), and line of sight completely breaks on my side if I save and load. i.e. no valid target everywhere and aliens can still shoot me. I am not sure how is it causing this ...

It seems like this mod's bonus detection radius to compensate for the leniency of the new system doesn't work. New configs, running only Peek From Concealment, and still at base 8 vision with the Detection Bonus set to +10 tiles.

@Deathnite
Because it needs to overwrite some of Gotcha Again's functionality.

First of all:
Why is this Mod conflicting with [WOTC] Gotcha Again if I'm needing Gotcha Again to make it work?

Why is this mod not included in core essentials? It's essential and should be included in every collection.

This is one of the best mods out there, easily in my top 10. Never mind the COD gear or having a blonde gal with hooters on the squad, there is the real pleasure of walking up the edge of a roof and squatting down behind a sign within three squares of an ADVENT pod without blowing concealment. Great stuff!

Thank you for your answer

yes it does

Does this mod work for LWOTC?

I forgot how terrible the spotting rules were till i moved over to WOTC(specifically LWOTC) and didn't have this mod, not sure how people play the game without it. Literally had a case of not being able to hack a drone because any square i could move to for visual on it also got me spotted so it became this stupid game of cat and mouse. Mod fixes that, thankyou.

Just finished a campaign with about 280 mods, this one included, and had no major issues! Thanks for putting this up.

Yes

Is this compatible with Musashi's Stealth Overhaul?

@Mustang0524
I did some testing and the mod works as expected, corners and everything. I think your problem is that you're looking at the detection tiles on the ground, when you should be looking at the movement indicator. More specifically, the stick that goes "brrtbrrt" and shows a hazard icon. You'll see that it disappears if the move won't break concealment.

As for my own question 10 comments below: I got mixed results. I think this mod alone won't affect Reapers (I tested with +2 detection range), BUT with other mods messing with detection modifiers (the one LW2 SMG uses as a bonus) things can get complicated.

I'll get back to you once I get a chance to test it myself. Please let me know if you find the issue in the meantime (this mod is practically mandatory for me).

My money is on "you have a conflict with another mod".

Usuallly the enemy could be several tiles back, I can hover over the corner tile and it shows me that I'll break concealment. Yes I'm using the fix with Gotcha Again.....

Also, are you using the UI Fix (along with Gotcha Again)? It should tell you exactly which moves are okay to make. Can help with troubleshooting.

Is the enemy right next to the corner? Enemies use the same "peek out" mechanism for LoS purposes, so e.g. if you move right next to an enemy in cover (diagonally) then you're both flanking each other, thus you will be revealed.

And yea im talking full cover corner of a building.

Well I'll be in total concelment and if the enemy is around the corner I can't bring my unit all the way to the edge on my corner or he'll get revealed. I can go 1 tile back from the corner but then I can 't overwatch ambush with him.

What nemo said. Corners are fine.

What's this about "corners" I keep reading in the comments, anyway? Last I played with this mod was in base game (no DLC) and the non-WotC version worked just fine, corners and all...

Are you guys making sure to use HIGH cover to peek out from? Low cover will ONLY hide you when you're stationary, i.e. if you MOVE into low cover within detection range you WILL be spotted, except when you have elevation against the spotter; this is expected behavior.

Are there any mods that make it possible to retain concealment on corners?

Does the extra detection range apply to Reapers as well?

I've seen this asked, but not answered; sorry if I missed it.

Maybe use notepad ++ to search for that ini config in the the whole lwotc folder to see?

I'm using this with LWOTC and it works fine, but changing the detection range bonus in the ini doesn't actually do anything. Is it because enemies in LWOTC are different than in vanilla? Is there a way to actually give them the detection range bonus?

Daniel, Did you read the description under known compatibilities and the link to the fix?

Hey, so the move indicated in this picture reveals concealment even though it's not indicated that way. Could this be related to this mod?
https://i.imgur.com/KU3k8pJ.png

Yeah it works with lwotc

It work with LWOTC?

Jognt this mod doesn't do that.

I was hoping this mod made it so you wouldn't get revealed from corners. Instead it flat out denies vision to both you and the enemy.
An in-between solution where it would work as normal _except_ when the unit is concealed would prevent many frustrations from not being able to even see/target a unit that is behind full cover.

This mod is amazing. Thanks man!

大幅修改了隐匿及暴露机制更加合理

I still think Tim that with a little bit of work and the Highlander the Conflicts of this and Gotcha Again could be resolved

I just completed a WOTC campaign with 104 mods including this one. It all went well.

I believe it is the optional UI Fix for this mod that is actually causing the crash.

I am getting the same crash following this line in the log. I disable this mod and everything works perfectly. I'm running 399 mods including cosmetics.

Any chance of fixing this? I'm having trouble playing without it. The fix to concealment is that good.

[0231.98] ScriptLog: Starting Peek TacticalHUD Listener OnInit: Default__UIScreenListener_TacticalHUD

Started getting random crashes after installing this mod. Crashes completely stopped after uninstalling. Log files had the same Peek lines as described by others in this thread.

@DBL
Have this crash too. Have you found out how to fix it pls?
ScriptLog: Starting Peek TacticalHUD Listener OnInit: Default__UIScreenListener_TacticalHUD

Has anybody been able to use this in conjuction with Shadow Concealment Nerf?

https://steamproxy.net/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1397449502

Or is there a way to possibly have the changes from that mod incorporated into this one?

This mod is fine

I believe this mod is currently not working.

How well does this work with Musashi's WotC Stealth Overhaul ?

This is such a great idea! Being able to actually stealth around with less worry about being revealed is a really awesome feeling. :)

How about working together with Gotcha Again to get a fixfor both your addons into the Community Highlander?