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2. aug. 2021 kl. 19.47
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Individualism and Collectivism Slavery Tweak

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This does absolutely nothing except make it so the various slavery precepts have nothing to do with individualism and collectivism. This is due to a personal pet peeve, and if the mechanics are all that you're interested in, there is no need to read further.

Otherwise, I apologize in advance...

It's About Equality, Dummy!

There is a reason that Stellaris abandoned the individualism/collectivism dichotomy, and it's because it makes no sense. Why is individualism associated with anti-slavery? Can individuals not own slaves? Are raiders not the ultimate individualists? Why are collectives inherently pro-slavery? Are there not anti-slavery collectives based on free association?

Individualism and collectivism are purely stylistic choices - when your company cuts your wages, increases your work hours, and lays you off, they use collectivist language ("It's for the good of the company!"). When you ask the government (controlled by a consortium that includes your company) for help with your healthcare, you get individualistic excuses ("Pull yourself up by your bootstraps, commie!"). Collectivism when they need you, rugged individualism when you need them.

The actual difference you're looking for is egalitarianism vs. authoritarianism. Egalitarians believe everyone has equal rights and equal say, and have an inherent faith in democracy. These are your socdems, anarchists, socialists, left libertarians, etc.

Authoritarians believe that not every life is equal, and some people should rule over others, and they detest democracy. These are your fashies, monarchists, theocrats, plutocrats etc.

In the middle you have people who believe in some equality and some hierarchy, with varying levels of democracy. These are your "classical" liberals, right libertarians, etc.

Individualism is almost entirely a cultural thing. This is why you have people both proclaiming to be individualists and patriots, two things that ought to be oxymoronic. The actual difference is between the egalitarians who respect individual rights and detest slavery in all forms, and the authoritarians who don't respect individual rights and are cool with slavery.

I'm not saying there's absolutely no role for individualism and collectivism in Rimworld, we need it to model crappy sci-fi tropes common in literature, but it should be subordinate to the conflict between egalitarianism vs. authoritarianism. Egalitarianism and authoritarianism really ought to be added to the base game, but since they're not, quick fixes like this one will have to do. Maybe me or someone else will make a proper mod addressing this issue more completely in the future.

If you needed evidence that we need comprehensive mental health care...

...just read the comment section. Dear god.
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Nationality  [skaper] 19. apr. kl. 6.40 
@Degen
Yes. The comment section is something of an epic dumpster fire. Admittedly, I contributed to it, but at least I am aware of my own terminally online brain rot, as @Gerewoatle puts it.
Gerewoatle 19. apr. kl. 4.38 
@Degen: Terminally online brainrot will do that. I don't think any of them are actually capable of talking about anything else.
Super Degen Artist man 19. apr. kl. 4.02 
Good god this comment section, I wasn't even going to consider getting this mod until i saw ~1200 comments on a simple ideology tweak
Nationality  [skaper] 25. feb. kl. 9.31 
@Kalmin
There is no TRUE socialist state as there is no TRUE capitalist state. The "one drop" rule ought not to extend only one way. You should ask yourself to what extent the Finnish democratic control over their own economy contributes to their success, and what would happen if they gave up that control.

Virtually every state has a central bank and a public education system - two planks of the Communist manifesto, and most states have gone further, enshrining public health and housing and other rights. The Overton window has shifted way left over the past few centuries and even modern conservatives would be considered leftist radicals by the standards of the past.

The reality is, as you point out in Finland, that a strong democratic state adopts socialistic policies for its own interests. That is a good thing. I am a stronger democrat than I am a socialist, between a socialist policy and a democratic one, I'd pick the democratic choice. Happily, that dilemma is rare.
Kalmin 25. feb. kl. 7.48 
Original comment was way longer... but 1000 character limit in a mods comments? thats fair
Kalmin 25. feb. kl. 7.46 
Finland is not a socialist country, it is a free market economy with a state welfare, funded through high taxation of its citizens, how can the finnish citizens acquire the money to pay upwards of 53% income tax? Through the private sector (Capitalism), service sector, electronics manufacturing, mineral fuel and paper

Finland works because its one of the most democratic countries on the planet with a strong private sector, so much that the people of Finland dont need the welfare and public services offered by the state, but consciously chose to adopt it, and let the state monopolize those sectors (and even in healthcare they allow private alternatives).

Restating what i said above, the people are well serviced not because the country affords them, but because they afford it themselves, they just choose to pay the country to provide them the services instead of private initiative.

Yet to find a TRUE socialist government, that is democratic
Nationality  [skaper] 1. feb. kl. 2.16 
@Wolfwood1316
Portugal is a good example. Socialism is written into the constitution. Chile before it was deposed. Nicaragua. I'd count the Kurdish authority. Modern Germany actively encourages worker-owned enterprises, so that's close. Norway, which funds its pubic sector through a state-owned oil company. The government of Kansas was once socialist. Actually there were a lot of socialist cities in the U.S. that were basically couped. New Zealand had a strong socialist government at one point.
Most of them, honestly. Most socialist governments were benign and democratic. The Soviet Union was the noted aberration.
Hahkethomemah 29. jan. kl. 22.21 
Finland, social democracy.
Wolfwood1316 29. jan. kl. 20.48 
name a socialist government that isn't/wasn't authoritarian lmao
Nationality  [skaper] 29. sep. 2023 kl. 20.33 
@CEC (2)
This whole idea that some cultures are "obedient collectivists" and other cultures have "individualists" is purely to scare policy makers into curbing labor rights. They want us all working 16 hours a day, seven days a week, off the smell of an oily rag. And they'll tell you whatever they need to get you to do it: that you're a strong rugged individual and you don't need no union, or that your loyalty is to the country and you don't need no union, or you'll upset your ancestors if you start a union, or God doesn't want you start a union. Individualism and collectivism are not philosophies, they're propaganda strategies. That was as true in 1840s Britain as it is in modern China, the only defense you have against is democracy and labor activism.