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You can get them right after picking the dig out/cut down route at the cafe when talking to Rouis mom. I just checked in both routes.
When i checked, picking the top dialogue choices for both worked, not sure if any combination other does as some did not.
If you need any further help here feel free tell me.
Also, not 100% finished but i did publish the guides yesterday so they can be seen already.
Personally i still miss one achievement from the new chapter ^^"