As wide as a puddle, and as deep as a puddle.
I'm clearly in the minority, maybe it's just not "made for me" since most reviews are positive from people with thousands of hours (somehow) but hey, can't be worse than those people who play a $5 game for 2000 hours, it doesn't even get an update but they feel compelled to make a negative review just saying "bad".
I do have more hours especially on Battle.Net. Destiny 2 used to be published under Activision, hence it was on there. It was often hinted at by Bungie and defensively exclaimed by fans that mistakes in the price model or story were due to Activision meddling, though funnily I think the game's gotten worse overall if a little better written when they went solo.

At least it's free now, fits the live service "feels like free to play" thing better when it actually is free, so I'll give them that.

Anyway what pushed me over the edge from not really caring to negative review? The recent decision to patch out.. Almost everything. Entire locations, the base game story, and even DLCs which used to be paid. Plus the gear, enemies, stories within.
Oh and almost most the multiplayer maps because you know, we weren't already sick of the same few Crucible (PvP) maps even before one of the developer's young children brought that idea to a meeting.

To me this is one of the worst things I've seen in gaming, and a truly alarming sign of 'Live Service' games and what they mean: The fact that you can pay for DLC and come back, and they're no longer there. They were not cheap back in the day, and if you're a patient gamer of some form, maybe you paid a lot but waited on PC upgrades or were hoping for an update to make Destiny's gunplay less like Fallout 3 minus VATS, well you missed your chance.

The idea that this genre of hybrid MMOs can just patch out vast swathes of content is honestly scary and I'm glad live service seems to be dying out. That is the primary thing my negative review is over. I had things to do, a friend was nice enough to buy me content to play for the story, but now it actually can't be accessed.

Oh and I'm sure patching out old DLCs and the base game campaign is surely unrelated to the release of an expansion which starts at $45 but goes up to $80 if you want... One gun, an emote, some skins and banner-type unlocks. Wow that's some value right there.
As I like to tell my friends, you spend long enough under Activision you become them.

My issue with Destiny 2 is the amazing level of content drought, but patching the game out of the game is supposed to make that better? Bungie said it was because they weren't happy with what they had made but that's even more laughable to me, how about don't create years of content [if you can call it that] if you weren't happy with it? By all means don't try to fix the Fallout 4 tier writing, just delete the whole thing and make more DLC where you try to do better.

Combined to your usual standard live service 'stop doing this' features like one-use skins, a real currency microtransaction shop, being nudged to buy more DLC to play everything you want, seasonal unlock progression (ugh), fetch quests, requiring you to play the same content repeatedly and have high replay tolerance if you want more than maybe 150 hours, a UI where it's more important to have that 2010's square look than to be easy or likeable in any way, meta weapons which can hand you PvP matches on a platter at others' expense... and probably more I don't remember right this moment.

I get that nostalgia changes a lot, seems most people I know who can stand Destiny 2 had bright memories of Destiny 1 on console, but I was moving to PC so didn't get that, so it's amazing what you can pick out when not wearing rose tinted glasses. I do have nice memories of who made it, 'Bungie', but it just makes me sadder honestly as a massive Halo fan.
Really I think out of loyalty to Destiny 1 more people should be critical because it looks like this game has less to do, with less distinctive classes and worse level hubs. Though it seems some things like the Destiny 1 social space are returning over time which I highly approve of.

I generally allow comments on pretty much anything I post on Steam but I don't trust the sunken time/cost fallacies on this one, sorry. Though I do truly want Destiny 2 to get good, I certainly have minimal beef with the fans so it's not personal to other gamers.

As wide as a puddle, and as deep as a puddle. I'm clearly in the minority, maybe it's just not "made for me" since most reviews are positive from people with thousands of hours (somehow) but hey, can't be worse than those people who play a $5 game for 2000 hours, it doesn't even get an update but they feel compelled to make a negative review just saying "bad". I do have more hours especially on Battle.Net. Destiny 2 used to be published under Activision, hence it was on there. It was often hinted at by Bungie and defensively exclaimed by fans that mistakes in the price model or story were due to Activision meddling, though funnily I think the game's gotten worse overall if a little better written when they went solo. At least it's free now, fits the live service "feels like free to play" thing better when it actually is free, so I'll give them that. Anyway what pushed me over the edge from not really caring to negative review? The recent decision to patch out.. Almost everything. Entire locations, the [i]base game story[/i], and even DLCs which used to be paid. Plus the gear, enemies, stories within. Oh and almost most the multiplayer maps because you know, we weren't already sick of the same few Crucible (PvP) maps even before one of the developer's young children brought that idea to a meeting. To me this is one of the worst things I've seen in gaming, and a truly alarming sign of 'Live Service' games and what they mean: The fact that you can pay for DLC and come back, and they're no longer there. They were not cheap back in the day, and if you're a patient gamer of some form, maybe you paid a lot but waited on PC upgrades or were hoping for an update to make Destiny's gunplay less like Fallout 3 minus VATS, well you missed your chance. The idea that this genre of hybrid MMOs can just patch out vast swathes of content is honestly scary and I'm glad live service seems to be dying out. That is the primary thing my negative review is over. I had things to do, a friend was nice enough to buy me content to play for the story, but now it actually can't be accessed. Oh and I'm sure patching out old DLCs and the base game campaign is surely unrelated to the release of an expansion which [b]starts[/b] at $45 but goes up to $80 if you want... One gun, an emote, some skins and banner-type unlocks. Wow that's some value right there. As I like to tell my friends, you spend long enough under Activision you become them. My issue with Destiny 2 is the amazing level of content drought, but patching the game out of the game is supposed to make that better? Bungie said it was because they weren't happy with what they had made but that's even more laughable to me, how about don't create years of content [if you can call it that] if you weren't happy with it? By all means don't try to fix the Fallout 4 tier writing, just delete the whole thing and make more DLC where you try to do better. Combined to your usual standard live service 'stop doing this' features like one-use skins, a real currency microtransaction shop, being nudged to buy more DLC to play everything you want, seasonal unlock progression (ugh), fetch quests, requiring you to play the same content repeatedly and have high replay tolerance if you want more than maybe 150 hours, a UI where it's more important to have that 2010's square look than to be easy or likeable in any way, meta weapons which can hand you PvP matches on a platter at others' expense... and probably more I don't remember right this moment. I get that nostalgia changes a lot, seems most people I know who can stand Destiny 2 had bright memories of Destiny 1 on console, but I was moving to PC so didn't get that, so it's amazing what you can pick out when not wearing rose tinted glasses. I do have nice memories of who made it, 'Bungie', but it just makes me sadder honestly as a massive Halo fan. Really I think out of loyalty to Destiny 1 more people should be critical because it looks like this game has less to do, with less distinctive classes and worse level hubs. Though it seems some things like the Destiny 1 social space are returning over time which I highly approve of. I generally allow comments on pretty much anything I post on Steam but I don't trust the sunken time/cost fallacies on this one, sorry. Though I do truly want Destiny 2 to get good, I certainly have minimal beef with the fans so it's not personal to other gamers.