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Tribes from the Coasts, Forests and Steppes of Sarmatia
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Tribes from the Coasts, Forests and Steppes of Sarmatia

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Hi folks, this is my newest unitmod.

After some research i recognized, that the tribes of Aestii, Anartes, Catiaroi and finally Budini need to be more work out.

So i made this mod.

I. The Aestii:

Tacitus desribed the Aestii as following:

Upon the right of the Suebian Sea the Aestian nations reside, who use the same customs and attire with the Suebians; their language more resembles that of Britain. They worship the Mother of the Gods. As the characteristic of their national superstition, they wear the images of wild boars. This alone serves them for arms, this is the safeguard of all, and by this every worshipper of the Goddess is secured even amidst his foes. Rare amongst them is the use of weapons of iron, but frequent that of clubs. In producing of grain and the other fruits of the earth, they labour with more assiduity and patience than is suitable to the usual laziness of Germans.

Because of the fact, that the Aestii lived at the coast of the Baltic Sea and spoke a different language, most historians assume, that they were probable a protobaltic/baltic tribe. They know iron, which they imported, but still use more bronze objects. They were part of the westbaltic culture of cairns, which was influenced by the lusatian culture.

New Units:

Aestian Tribal Warriors (low spear unit)
Aestian Club Levies (low club unit, recruitable from barb_city_1)
Aestian Levy Spear Warriors (low spear unit, recruitable from barb_city_1)
Aestian Chosen of Perkunas (mediumhigh club unit, recruitable from barb_artisan_bronze_3)
Aestian Medium Sword Warriors (medium sword unit, recruitable from barb_artisan_bronze_2)
Aestian Medium Spear Warriors (medium spear unit, recruitable from barb_artisan_bronze_2)
Aestian Noble Sword Warriors (elite sword unit, recruitable from barb_artisan_bronze_4)
Aestian Noble Spear Warriors (elite spear unit, rectuitable from barb_artisan_bronze_4)
Aestian Young Men (low javelin unit with clubs, recruitable frombarb_city_1)
Aestian Slingers (lowmedium slinger unit, recruitable from barb_craftsmen_1)
Aestian Forest Hunters ( medium bow unit with spears, recruitable from barb_craftsmen_wood_2)
Aestian Rangers (medium javelin unit with clubs, recruitable from barb_craftsmen_wood_3)
Aestian Light Cavalry (low javelin cavalry, recruitable from barb_agriculture_horse_2)
Aestian Noble Cavalry ( elite spear cav, recruitable from barb_agriculture_horse_4)

Ship Units:

Aestian Tribal Warriors Raider
Aestian Medium Swords Medium Raider
Aestian Noble Swords Heavy Raider
Aestian Medium Spears Four
Aestian Young Men Raider
Aestian Forest Hunters Medium Raider
Aestiian Forest Hunters Five

II. The Anartes:

The Anartes were a celtic tribe, who migrated into the dacian territory and later minor parts of this tribe were heavily influenced by the Dacians.


New Units:

Anartian Falx Warriors (low falxschock unit, recruitable from barb_artisan_bronze_2)
Anartian Heavy Bowmen (medium bow unit, recruitable from barb_craftsmen_wood_3)
Anartian Heavy Skirmishers (medium javelin unit, recruitable from barb_craftsmen_wood_3)
Anartian Heavy Spear Warriors (medium-high spear unit, recruitable from barb_artisan_bronze_3)
Anartian Noble Spear Warriors (elite spear unit, recruitable from barb_artisan_bronze_4)
Anartian Horse Bowmen (low bowcav unit, recruitable from barb_agriculture_horse_3)
Dacoceltic Noble Lancers (high shock cav, recruitable from barb_agriculture_horse_4)

III. The Catiaroi:

The Catioaroi were one of the three main tribes of the Scythae and had very close trading and cultural relationships to the greek polis at the Black Sea. A golden comb, which was found in a sycthian tomb near of Solokha, show a sycthian noblemen fighting with an armour in greek style.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solokha

So i decided to give them and the Royal Sycthae two hellenizised units.

New Units:

Hellenizised Scythian Spear Warriors (medium spear unit, recruitable from barb_artisan_1)
Hellenizised Scythian Sword Warriors (medium sword unit, recruitable from barb_artisan_bronze_2)

IV. The Budini or Budinoi

Herodot described the Budinoi in his "Historiae" as "light-eyed and red-haired" and living by hunting in their thick forests. The Budinoi lived after his description probably at the middle course of the Volga.

Because of this many scholars concluded, that the Budinoi were a finno-ugric tribe, the ancestors of the today Udmurts and Komi. I agree with that theory after looking at many pictures of the today Udmurts and Komi with redhair and bright eyes.

The finno-ugric tribes of this time were part of the Ananino Culture. They used spears, swords, knives, bow and arrow and were heavily influenced by the sycthians and the eastern steppe cultures of sibiria.

Some pictures of a Finno-Ugric Warrior and two noblemen of the sibirian Sargat Culture:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/b1/c2/1e/b1c21ee370cde46d54c2587dded72fdc.jpg

http://history.novosibdom.ru/files/u12/sibir_122.jpg

http://history.novosibdom.ru/files/u16/sibir_178.jpg

New Units:

Budinian Tribesmen (low spear unit)
Budinian Spear Warriors (low spear unit, recruitable from barb_city_1)
Budinian Sword Warriors (low sword unit, recruitable from barb_artisan_1)
Budinian Axe Warriors (medium axe unit, recruitable from barb_artisan_bronze_2)
Budinian Medium Spear Warriors (medium spear unit, recruitable from barb_artisan_bronze_2)
Budinian Medium Sword Warriors (medium sword unit, recruitable from barb_artisan_bronze_2)
Budinian Heavy Spear Warriors (high spear unit, recruitable from barb_artisan_bronze_3)
Budinian Heavy Sword Warriors (high sword unit, recruitable from barb_artisan_bronze_3)
Budinian Noble Sword Warriors (elite sword unit, recruitable from barb_artisan_bronze_4)
Budinian Padded Archers (medium bow unit, recruitable from barb_craftsmen_wood_2)
Budinian Heavy Archers (high bow unit, recruitable from barb_craftsmen_wood_3)
Budinian Light Sword Cavalry (low sword cav, recruitable from barb_agriculture_nomad_herd_2)
Budinian Heavy Sword Cavalry (medium-heavy sword cav, recruitable from barb_agriculture_nomad_herd_3)
Budinian Noble Sword Cavalry (elite sword cav, recruitable from barb_agriculture_nomad_herd_4)
Budinian Light Skirmisher Cavalry (low jav cav, recruitable from barb_agriculture_nomad_herd_2)
Budinian Noble Skirmisher Cavalry (elite jav cav, recruitable from barb_agriculture_nomad_herd_4)
Budinian Horsearchers (low bow cav, recruitable from barb_city_1)
Budinian Noble Horsearchers (elite bow cav, recruitable from barb_agriculture_nomad_herd_4)
Budinian Medium Lancers (medium shock cav, recruitable from barb_agriculture_nomad_herd_2)
Budinian Noble Lancers (high shock cav, recruitable from barb_agriculture_nomad_herd_3)

Screenshots were made, while using Armoured Horses Mod, CIU East, CIU West from Avetis, which included ACR - Alii Colores Romae from Demokritos. I recommend to use them for a better graphical experience.

The Stats are developed on Vanilla stats and should fit perfect to Vanilla.

This is a semihistorical, but historic plausible mod, based on Vanillastyle.

I tried to make it historical to my knowledge as possible.

You will have to use an All factions playable-Mod to use this units by yourself.

I would thank:

-CA for the vanilla game and the assembly kit
-Sebidee for his great modding tutorial
- BoyaWho? for some of his unit icons.

-Ahiga/LoB-Team for padded armour textures

-Avetis/CIU-Team for armour, helmets, shields, tunics (without Avetis Budini-Reskin would not have been possible, thank you!)

-Dontfearme22 for armour, helmets, shields

-Kraut and Tea for arm-armour, armour, pelts, tunics and helmet textures.

My other mods:

http://steamproxy.net/profiles/76561198105622520/myworkshopfiles/?appid=214950
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Liturgy Of The Great Cold 2022. júl. 14., 10:56 
Of course, I understand that bones cannot tell us what language they spoke, and that Budins to the Finns of the Middle Volga region is only your vision, just with all the other facts that we have today, starting from genetics and physical anthropology and archeology (material culture), you chose some very extreme and quite controversial from all points of view, all other things being equal, the evolution in the origin of the Budins
Liturgy Of The Great Cold 2022. júl. 14., 10:52 
Again, if we recall the description of the Scythians (the argument about pigmentation), for example, by Herodotus, he also called them "redheads", although today, for example, we know that the Scythians descended from the "yamnaya" culture, which looked like the Indo-Mediterranean (i.e., like the Greeks, Italians or Hindus). Ancient people did not describe colors well, for example, in Homer's Iliad, the sea was "wine" color, and honey was "green". And the colors "blue" and "purple" were perceived simply as shades of dark. The word "light" meant something lighter than "coal". The pigmentation of the budins, known to us since antiquity, is of course interesting, but if you can be sure that, for example, instead of "redhead" it meant, for example, not "light-haired".
Liturgy Of The Great Cold 2022. júl. 14., 10:50 
I'm just trying to point out the fact that the Budins were settled quite widely, and most of their group was located where there were no Finno-Ugrians, for example, in central Russia, in the north of Ukraine, in Belarus and partly in Lithuania. In general, the budins (in most cases) were located quite far from the middle Volga. In principle, such representatives of the Volga Finno-Ugrians can be found in confirmation of their mixed origin:

https://pic.udmddn.ru/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/molodye_udmurty-1200x630.jpg.webp
https://media.nazaccent.ru/cache/fc/28/fc28c71e4798b7216f3bb750c7a9b047.jpg
M.I.B.  [készítő] 2022. júl. 12., 13:45 
@LoTGC: The deletion was accidentily.

BUDINI, living middle course of the Volga about Samara, light-eyed and red-haired, lived by hunting in their thick forests, finno-ugric now represented by the Votiaks and Permiaks, forced northwards by later immigrants, lived with animal tarandus = reindeer

Chisholm, Hugh, ed. (1911). "Budini" . Encyclopædia Britannica. Vol. 4 (11th ed.). Cambridge University Press. p. 751., similar: Henryk Łowmiański, Studies on the History of Slavdom, Poland and Rus in Middle Ages , Poznań 1986, p. 25; Péter Hajdú, Finno-Ugrian Languages and Peoples, London 1970, s. 70

Udmurts, who are today Permians:

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29950844

They fit the description of light-eyed and redhaired people.

So for me the theory has merit. You are free to see it different.
Liturgy Of The Great Cold 2022. júl. 11., 4:40 
About our communication, perhaps, I don't remember, to be honest. But why did you delete my comment about the race mixed origin of the population of the "Ananyin" culture? And, even if you believe that your opinion is fair, you are essentially ignoring the fact that most of the population on which the Budins lived has not even close to Finno-Ugric genesis. OK, but can I at least hear, if you think so, from which archaeological culture do you produce budins, and which author used this idea?
M.I.B.  [készítő] 2022. júl. 10., 15:30 
We both had this discussion already 5 years ago, there is a theory, which is in my eyes plausible, that the Budini were Finno-Ugrians. You may still have a different opinion, thats ok. We agree to disagree.
Liturgy Of The Great Cold 2022. júl. 10., 12:56 
The Budins are traditionally associated with the "Yukhanov" archaeological culture, which is widespread in the Balto-Slavic zone, in the case of the Balts it is identified with the "Dnieper Balts". From the "Jukhanov" culture came "Moshinskaya" and "Pochepskaya", the first is associated with the Balts, the second with both the Balts and the Proto-Slavs. The only geographically closest culture, which even then very controversially refers to the Finno-Ugrians, is the "Gorodetsky" culture. What makes you think that the Budins have at least some relation to the Finno-Ugrians, and if in your opinion this is so, then where do you think the Slavs were at that time?
Ocean 2022. ápr. 18., 17:55 
you too!
M.I.B.  [készítő] 2022. ápr. 18., 8:05 
Thank you for reporting the bug with the Budini Padded Archers, it is fixed now. :)

The Budini armours are intended, as the Budini were in my opinion a finnic ugric tribe (if you took Herodots travel description to them as basic) and the armours are inspired from depictions of their armours i found.

I won't remove the basic rosters as this would mean to change the start position and i won't do this because it make this (little) mod incompatible with all mods, which change the start pos too.

And I'm sorry i won't add further units too, as i'm convinced the mod is finished.

Have a nice eastern. :)
Ocean 2022. ápr. 18., 1:25 
It is your mod, so feel free to ignore this, but perhaps remove the Lamellar and weird coat of plates armour from the budini and replace it with that sort of scale used by the scythians and the like in the game? feels a bit too out of place for historic plausible

also some padded archers hold arrows instead of bows

some other suggestions too;

Remove the original aestii and budini rosters because now they're hUge and filled with now pointless units

add some proto slavic units to the budini and aestii, I'd suggest a spearman unit, and a jav and spear cav unit- skirmishers, ofc

add scythian hoplites to the catioaroi

Thanks for reading, if you do, have a good one!